Incredibly, there are parents who defend the kind of torture described in the article below, my lovely Aunt included. If my parents were alive, no doubt they would, too — they bounced me across the kitchen floor more than a few times, filled my mouth with soap, refused to let me speak, and left me growing up in utter terror. Some of their favorite weapons: belts, yard sticks, my father’s forearm and hand, and verbal assaults.
What people don’t understand is that we teach our children violence by acting violently around them.
Next we need to understand that the same hubris that we believe gives us the right to abuse our children is the same anthropomorphic narcissism that allows us to slaughter animals to feed our gluttonous selves. It’s all connected, folks!
– Rake
PS For one of the most astounding books on the effects of physical discipline on children (and the hidden reasons why adults physically punish children), I strongly recommend For Your Own Good by Alice Miller. I’ve created a link to the book on Amazon.com. There’s no “sale” here for me — I don’t make a penny. My reward is passing along great advice and insights from Dr. Miller.
From our local newspaper:
Article Date: Sunday, January 6, 2008
CONCORD — A Franklin woman who allegedly beat a child’s hands and buttocks with a belt has been indicted on two Class B felony charges of second-degree assault.Michelle Hardy, 37, also known as Michelle Talbot, of 118 Elkins St., is alleged to have caused contusions on the body of an 11-year-old boy. Hardy allegedly struck the boy on the back of his hands and on his buttocks multiple times with a belt on Sept. 20.
The grand jury also returned two Class A misdemeanor charges of simple assault against Hardy, charging that she sat on the victim’s back, choking him and striking the palms of his hands with the belt on the same date in Franklin.
A Franklin man was indicted on a Class B felony charge of second-degree assault for allegedly striking a baby multiple times in the head causing contusions in Franklin in October.
Bryan St. John, 18, of 400 Central St., #4, was also charged with a Class A misdemeanor of reckless conduct for allegedly holding a stuffed teddy bear over the same victim’s mouth until the infant was gasping for air.
Here’s a news story worth reading. . . .
Is hot saucing discipline or abuse?
By JAMES BAKER, Staff Writer
FOSTERS ONLINE
DOVER, NH
You’ve just instructed your 7-year-old son to pick up his toys, and he’s responded by launching a torrent of expletives in your direction.
How should you discipline him?
One child-rearing author suggests parents skip the hickory stick and administer discipline with a different sort of sting.
It’s called “hot saucing,” or “hot tonguing” in some circles. Thought to have roots in Southern culture, this method of discipline entails dabbing a fingertip-full of hot sauce on a misbehaving child’s tongue. In theory, at least, the child will remember the temporary discomfort long after the burning sensation subsides.
In an interview earlier this week on “Good Morning America,” former television personality Lisa Whelchel advocated the use of a few drops of hot sauce on a child’s tongue, especially when other forms of discipline have failed.
“It does sting, and the memory stays with them so that the next time they may actually have some self-control,” said Whelchel, who played Blair on the 1980s series “Facts of Life.” Whelchel, who is also a former Mousketeer, wrote of the technique in her book, “Creative Correction: Extraordinary Ideas for Everyday Discipline,” published in 2000.
Whelchel’s comments drew a mixed reaction from the general public, some calling the idea distasteful and others suggesting that it might be effective. Out of some 8,000 responses to an unscientific survey on the Web site ABCnews.com, 35 percent said “hot saucing” was a legitimate form of discipline and 65 percent said it was not.
Comments from local experts ranged from outrage to conditional acceptance.
Kathleen McCartney, a former psychology professor at the University of New Hampshire and developmental child care and parenting expert now teaching at Harvard, said she would not advocate “hot saucing” as a disciplinary tactic.
“In general, children respond much better to positive reinforcement. It’s important to model behavior you want to see in your child.
“Parents need to build a trusting relationship with their children, and inflicting pain is not a way to accomplish that goal,” she said.
Murray Strauss, a psychology professor at the University of New Hampshire, also condemned “hot saucing,” referring to it as an “inhumane” form of discipline. “I think it’s analogous to briefly burning a child on the arm with a cigarette. It’s certainly no better than that. In my opinion that sort of disciplinary tactic lays the groundwork for a child growing up to become a cruel adult.”
Strauss said inflicting pain in this way can cause long-term damage to the parent-child relationship.
“Discipline is important, but how it’s meted out is crucial. When punishing a child, a parent needs to explain why in a consistent manner. Causing pain like this is humiliating, and it undermines the bond of trust,” he said.
But not every local expert consulted completely dismissed “hot saucing” as a constructive disciplinary tool.
Stan Rockafellow, pastor of the Eliot Baptist Church in Eliot, Maine, said that while he wouldn’t use “hot-saucing” with his own children, he wouldn’t judge a parent who did.
“We’ve gone through a long period in this country where corporal punishment has been viewed as destructive rather than constructive, and I think we’ve paid a price for that.
“God tells us children need to be guided, and I believe in the saying, ‘spare the rod, spoil the child.’ A parent needs to have the liberty to discipline as he or she sees fit, but it must be done with moderation, balance, purpose, and most of all, in a loving way,” he said.
The debate over “hot-saucing” has even extended to the level of state government.
According to a recent Washington Post article, a Michigan day care center was cited two years ago for “saucing” an 18-month-old child. The toddler’s mother purportedly gave the child care workers permission to use hot sauce to dissuade her son from biting other children.
In Virginia, the state’s child protective services agency lists “hot saucing” among disciplinary tactics it calls “bizarre behaviors.”
“We have to have some community standards for what’s appropriate to do to children,” said Betty Jo Zarris, manager of Virginia’s child protective services program.
“Common sense would tell you hot sauce is not appropriate for a child. The common man on the street would know this is offensive.”
And perhaps even dangerous.
In the same Washington Post article, Carlton Kendrick, a Boston-based family therapist, said parents who use the technique are at the very least “ill-informed,” pointing out that hot sauce can burn a child’s esophagus and cause the tongue to swel l a potential choking hazard.
Capsaicin, the substance that makes peppers hot, inflames membranes in the eyes, nose, and mouth. While some adults find this sensation pleasurable, capsaicin can cause negative reactions.
And there can be additional risks for children, according to Dr. Walter Hoerman, a Rochester pediatrician.
“The American Academy of Pediatrics believes that physical punishment doesn’t work, but this form of discipline is especially unusual.
“There are a lot of hot sauces that can burn , and a child’s mouth is more tender than an adult’s. There’s also the potential that a child would struggle and resist and aspirate the sauce into the lungs, which would be a major issue. I just don’t think it’s a safe idea.”



14 responses so far ↓
john Wesemann // August 10, 2008 at 11:16 pm
This is a website for Idiots by Idiots ~ Children should have the fear of god in them for their parents ~ who else is going to teach them wrong and right ~ the world isnt all flowers and nice people ~ prepare your children ~ their are actual consequences to their actions ~ for those of you that dont spank your kids ~ your passing them off on society as a problem ~ I deal with spoiled children all the time ~ and I tell their parents Flat out that their responsable for them ~ if their kid comes to my yard acting all mean to my kids one of two things are gonna happen ~ I’m either whooping that kids ass or his fathers if he has one to claim ~ you people are fucking idiots and you make me sick ~ spoiling your kids instead of teaching them morals and honor ~
Rake Morgan // August 19, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Sounds like John has an anger management problem LOL. The thought of a man who can’t control his temper, can’t spell, and can’t put a coherent comment together serving as a role model for children is scary.
Alex // August 22, 2008 at 5:52 pm
John is going to hit the wrong man’s child one of these days. Real Men ™ don’t compensate their own shortcomings by hurting those who are smaller than them.
c. rainbo // October 14, 2008 at 11:35 am
The problem is that the kinds of people who are hired and hire at human services departments are the same kind as the theologians who would meet to discuss such things as how many angels could fit on the head of a pin during medieval times. Human nature never changes. Laws change, attitudes change but human nature doesn’t. Corporal punishment is a part of training. If you don’t have to, great. This does not include sadistic treatments: time out in a darkened room, waterboarding, sitting with a dunce cap in front of the class, beating with a board or ruler over knuckles, pulling pants down and beating with an extension cord. Smacks with a hand, slipper, are fine as punctuation to an obstinate strong willed little fellow. Punches are not, neither is hot saucing or forcing them to eat their dinner when they are not hungry. Many people do not have the mother wit or common sense to tell the difference. Race, economics or class does not grant common sense to the individual. More people need to speak up and do something when they see abuse and take their chances on what happens next.
Rake Morgan // October 16, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Adults who hit children for any reason are insecure, uncreative people who have severe ego formation issues. Alice Miller’s research clearly shows this. Moreover, the abuse gets passed down from generation to generation, from parent to child.
Most adults who hit their children were also abused. The attitude is: “if it worked for me (not realizing it didn’t!), then it’s OK for me to hit my own kids.”
DisciplineKids // November 1, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Any kind of physical discipline is really punishment not discipline. The purpose of discipline is to help the child to make good choices and build strength of character from the inside. This will not happen using fear
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Tuszy // November 24, 2008 at 11:13 am
Okay so you don’t think physical discipline works in creating an open, independent, and confident child. Boy have I got news for you! The greater majority of those kids who only receive “positive reinforcement” end up with self entitlement issues. They believe that the world was made for them and that if something doesn’t go their way then they throw a fit. Good luck controlling your kids when their teenagers. My parents raised me in a home where morals took presence over everything else. If I cussed, I was sent to my room to think about what I had done until my dad could get away from taking care of my brothers to come and spank me. He would always talk to me first and remind me that he hated having to do it and that it only happened because I didn’t listen the first time I was told. If I ever yelled at someone outside of my family I would suffer immediate punishment because it is completely unacceptable. But the point is now that I am a teenager, I know better, I work hard to maintain my parent’s trust and confidence in me, and my parents and I will openly say that we are friends. Since most of you anti-discipline bug probably don’t have a very good relationship with a teenage son I don’t expect you to understand but when discipline is given in the right manor it will not damage the child but strengthen him and teach him that the world will not bend to meet his needs. I am a leader in my Church, respected by my peers and the adults who know me, I am almost never in trouble, and I love my parents deeply and thank them for disciplining me as a child.
Rake Morgan // November 24, 2008 at 11:36 am
I appreciate hearing from you, Tuszy, but as Alice Miller points out, children who have been beaten have to rationalize the harmful behavior of their parents, which is what you are doing by thanking them for beating you.
Second, you are taking the worn out position that just because you were beaten as a child and you haven’t gone out and murdered anyone yet, then it must be the right way for EVERYONE to raise kids. It’s a basic error in logic, extrapolating from one to the many.
I am also curious what evidence, other than your own opinion, supports your conclusion that children who are not beaten turn into self-centered adults?
Finally, the news is filled with stories about people like you who appear “normal,” go to church, obey the rules, etc., and then turn out to be hidding a monster that eventually reveals itself in anti-social and psychotic behavior.
I think you need to see a therapist ASAP.
Marilyn // December 6, 2008 at 5:12 pm
I am so excited to find this blog.
I have been an Alice Miller fan for 10 years.
I have never had the opportunity to talk to someone to has actually read her work and fully appreciates it.
I think Alice Miller has discovered the essence of pain that children experience from the most terrifying fear they can experience, rejection of who they are by their parents, the people they are most dependant on for acceptance and personal security.
I do understand the need to reject this reality and why millions of adults have done so. The terror that must be faced to accept fully the pain and destruction the torment of parental rejection has on ones identify is overwhelming and deeply threatening.
I speak with the experience of facing this fear slowly over many years and I take of my hat to anyone who takes the terrifying path to self acceptance.
Thanks for a great blog. I will keep coming back.
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bryon // July 17, 2009 at 7:58 am
how did the human race survive for so long if we have spent all these centuries spanking our offspring and dammaging them.it is a god given right not a govenment right to produce and raise children and like all people all are diffrent.there is a diffrence between abuse and disapline and the majority of parents know this and act responsibly.this is one issue where common sense should be applied by the individual families.
Sarah // September 20, 2009 at 3:08 am
This is a great article. I agree physical abuse is absolutely absurd. I mean really, does your boss hit you every time you do something wrong? Whenever you get pulled over for speeding does the cop get out of his car and start beating on you? No. Adults misbehave and do it on purpose. Kids misbehave because they don’t understand they have done wrong, don’t understand actions have consequences (good or bad), they lack attention, or they are testing their boundries. Rarely do children actually misbehave just because they want to. There is usually some psychological reason or curiosity reason. Adults do things ten times worse than children, things that are horrible, horrible, horrible crimes and acts…do they get the same justice? NO! why should children? People are idiots who do hit their children, even spanking. I am writing a research paper on the long-term effects of physical discipline. I am glad I have read this blog because it has me fired up and ready to write! Oh and John W. you are the idiot. Fear of god? what the hell does that mean anyway? Not only is it grammatically incorrect, but it is also an invalid statement. This God you speak of is not a proven fact, it is a subjective idea. Whereas, physical abuse and discipline is harmful to children. The author of this article uses statistics and cited work to explain a theory in child-rearing. Where is your citations and proof?